San Antonio Preparing to Persecute Christians Who Speak Out on the Bible


The San Antonio City Council is about to adopt an ordinance that will persecute any Christian from preaching the Bible or sharing their faith.  They are looking at passing some nondiscrimination ordinances that would make it a crime to exhibit or express any form of bias that could offend someone.  The proposed ordinance says:

“No person shall be appointed to a position if the city council finds that such person has, prior to such proposed appointment, engaged in discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed, against any person, group or organization on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age, or disability.”

Anyone found guilty of violating the new ordinance would be given a lifetime ban from being able to hold a city job, being involved with city government or even doing business with the city.

In other words, if a Christian works for the city as a garbage collector or street repair and they tell someone that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, they could lose their job for expressing their bias.  Or, if you contracted with the city to provide a service, say computer maintenance or repair and you quoted what the Bible says about homosexuality, you could lose your contract with the city.

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  • mudslide

    I’ll talk about whatever I want, when I want, with whom I choose.
    You can all eat it!

    • Sam

      I second that, “It’s called freedom of speech” . Think I read that somewhere, didn’t our forefathers have something to say about that!

    • Bob Judd

      Good. Keep doing that and you’ll see how quickly your ass is TERMINATED by not following the rules. In a free enterprise Capitalistic society, businesses can make just about any rules they like as long as they aren’t unconstitutional, like the current laws that block gay marriage. Looks like you’ll never be a politician which is a very good thing.

  • Scott Campbell

    I suppose that would apply to muslims who have EVER said anything negative about Christians. And Homosexuals who have EVER disagreed with Christians. Oh wait, it’s ok to discriminate against Christians.

    • Martha E Hennessy-Franco

      It’s sad, isn’t it? We ‘are’ living in the end times. We need to step up and be the lightstands that God has called us to be so there is a ‘true’ revival. Otherwise they’ll all be left behind. 🙁 That’s my belief anyway – I’m a literalist – I take the Bible ‘literally’. *sigh*

      • rivahmitch

        Funny… I was going to suggest that the local citizenry should “end times” of their Council members.

    • Bob Judd

      You need to look up the word ‘discrimination’ because merely disagreeing with someone is hardly ‘discrimination’. And neither is someone saying something negative about your religion. If you adhere to only one possible explanation for the Universe, you’ve got to expect to be criticized for believing in something so preposterous. Don’t you? That is not discrimination.

      • Dennis Edwardz

        Wrong! If it is ONLY illegal for CHRISTIANS to talk about their faith, it IS discrimination.

        • Bob Judd

          But that is where you’re even more wrong. And perhaps that is because you can’t read. The ordinance doesn’t even mention Christians anywhere, I certainly don’t want my tax dollars paying city council members to discuss their religion, they can got to CHURCH for that. And it’s not ‘only’ illegal for Christians, maybe you should take some classes and learn how to read and first read the ordinance before you attempt to talk about it.

          • Wanda Daniel

            The ordinance is NOT for city workers. It is for those who APPLY for city employment. Read it again.

          • Bob Judd

            You’re an idiot. What do you think a job application is for?!? Read it again!

          • Wanda Daniel

            I’m sure you understand the difference between someone who wants to work for the city and someone who does.
            It is really sad that you call someone you don’t know an idiot. But you can’t help it. You are a slave to sin. I’m a slave to righteousness so I won’t call you an idiot just because I disagree with you even if you are one. The Lord says that only a fool says he doesn’t believe in God.

  • lycan1953

    All believers, boycott San Antonio. They don’t want our money anyway. Give what you would have spent to support the Lord’s work. They will be judged someday anyway.

    • Bob Judd

      Thanks, but I’ve boycotted all of TEXAS for thinking they can teach creationism nonsense in public school in place of what is true and proven. That takes some audacity and is against EVERYTHING the US and our Constitution is against.

    • Wanda Daniel

      Definitely not! I have no desire to boycott San Antonio. Jesus went to the sinners. His fellowship wasn’t with unbelievers but He went to them to take them light. We would have to go out of the world to avoid unbelievers.
      I can’t wait to go to San Antonio! If they ban me from anything it will be no more than they did to Jesus. I’m taking Jesus’ love with me. I hope it can be used to sow seeds of love that show the TRUE Jesus.

  • classicsforever

    A silly, ridiculous ordinance. Any city worker so charged should sue the living daylights out of the city of San Antonio. This is an attack on the freedom of speech. There must be some real morons on this city council.

    • Good and Godless

      Ban the religious from Public Office for a hundred and fifty years… and remove this eyesore from the Texas Constitution:

      Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

      Equality is all about Atheists getting OUR turn at running government and banning the religious altogether is the fairest way to start.

      • classicsforever

        You already had your big chance in a place called the Soviet Union. It failed. Perhaps you didn’t know that.

        Besides, you don’t seem to understand the obvious. If I lose my freedoms, you lose yours.

        • Good and Godless

          Atheists are banned from Public Office in Texas and there is this outrage when a step towards fair and open government is attempted.

          I said 150 years, perhaps you can’t measure time. Additionally you’ve overlooked the few ways the Soviet Union differs from Texas.

          Beside, you don’t seem to understand the obvious. If you stop being ignorant, no one is ignorant anymore.

          Churches have been pulling favor after favor out of government with negative and tyrannical results. The active suppression of science and education by religious entities and religious inspired individuals is a detriment to the greatness of this nation. The evasion of tax obligations siphons billions from public coffers into an overseas tax haven run by the pope.

          By pretending there is a god you’ve already lost your freedoms. Freedom to think valid thoughts, freedom to eat what is good for you, freedom to marry whom you love, freedom to work when work needs to be done, freedom to enjoy some basic physical pleasures.

          You are trying to make me lose my freedoms, I am trying to give you yours.

          • classicsforever

            Looks like you’ve avoided my comment about the Soviet Union. Atheistic communism failed there. Plenty of time for your ideas to work. They didn’t. However, there’s still my offer for a free ticket (one-way) to North Korea available. You’d like it there. God, the Bible and Christianity are not allowed. Things are a bit unpleasant, but you’ll get over it.

          • Good and Godless

            Look again – Soviets have not been god free for the 150 years I requested.

            Numerous theocracies have collapsed too. Poke through history and current news – Egypt keeps crashing.

            Religion has no place in American government… even if gods where real. Because god does not exist it is infinitely more important to get the godless into public service.

          • classicsforever

            You say “Because god does not exist…”. I’ve been reading your posts for quite some time. This seems to be your main theme. This is very odd. You spend your time arguing against and fighting against someone you are convinced does not exist. Very, very odd.

          • Good and Godless

            Did you read all the way back to these gems?

            My 30 years of silence on this issue indicates a lack of the zealousness you propose.
            Your claims bishop is from a fringe group is both encouraging and discouraging as your chosen religion this week is undefined.
            Tolerance of religion is not harmless. It has become painfully abundant with the political manipulation of the religious derides cognitive policies.
            I could be tolerant if there was not any derailing of good government policy, good education policy, good social programs by the religious for any real or imagined interference with their make believe stories. That has painfully been made evident will be a long time down the road.
            2038 is the projected Atheist majority and we are ramping up now to meet that target.


            We tried tolerating religious bunk for 200 years.These types jammed it into our oaths, crammed it into our pledges, slopped it into our justice system, piled it onto our money, needled into our schools and wedged in opposition of our healthcare. All the while evading taxation and milking government services.Now religion has finally worn out its welcome.It is unfair this avenue for social treason was not fully excluded when the 1st Amendment was drafted. It is time to correct that flaw left by our founding fathers and end constraints imposed by myth and superstition.Lets try National Atheism for 200 years and see how much more we can accomplish without being impeded by Myth and Superstition.

          • classicsforever

            Lots of words. No meaning. Everything you’ve said has been used in Communist countries. Their policies are based upon atheism. It always fails. Always.

          • Bob Judd

            “Main theme”?? NONSENSE. It is a simple FACT that there is no God. And science as a whole rejects the PREPOSTEROUS idea that a God constructed the Universe and Stephen Hawking proved it mathematically! So, you thinking it’s merely a ‘theme’, proves just how totally deluded you are by the lies within your ideology and your inability to look beyond them. So the one who is stuck in a theme are Christians who reject science and Truth and every other possibility for the one IMPOSSIBLE and childish Christian ideology.

          • Bob Judd

            Thank you! There is nothing more theocratic than making it impossible for atheists to be in government. This is the reason our economy and system is so screwed up. I would argue that for the sake of our country we make laws that prevent theists of any kind from taking office. We shouldn’t have people who are swayed by suppositions and outright lies from their religious texts in office for very obvious reasons. For the same reason, we need to removed ‘in God we Trust’ from everything related to our government and remove any references to Christianity to our schools.
            And if we set up emergency contraception in bubblegum machines in school cafeteria’s we could also knock out teen abortion and pregnancy.

      • Bob Judd

        Wow — that is insane! But I wouldn’t put anything past Texan’s trying to make laws. It’s bad enough that we allow politicians to express their religious beliefs, but I think politics is the LAST place we should see religion. AFter all, religion is the opium of the masses and it stops people from thinking for themselves. I sure don’t want a president who can’t think for himself.

        • classicsforever

          You’re right. I agree 100%. Religion IS bad. However, Christianity is not a religion. It’s a person…the Lord Jesus Christ. There is a difference. I challenge you to carefully read the Gospel of John and the book of Acts, which follows.

          By the way, our Founding Fathers often expressed themselves by using Bible references in their political discussions.

          • Bob Judd

            There is some good in the Bible, but there’s a LOT of awful stuff from stoning women and children to condoning war and slavery. I live by morals and values that FAR EXCEED those that any Biblical author expressed in the Bible and so do most people. Saying you believe in Jesus doesn’t make you more moral than anyone else and in many cases allows people to kill in the name of their religion. And while there MAY be evidence to suggest a man named Jesus once walked the earth, suggesting he is the ‘son of god’ is as laughable as it is preposterous. It’s science fiction yet some folks actually believe in Noah’s ark or living in the stomach of a whale for days. That kind of blind faith is dangerous, especially in the future of today.

          • classicsforever

            Smarter guys than you and me (much smarter!) have said the same things you just said. They later understood their error and folly. They opened the Bible and began to read it without pride and prejudice. Gladly, they came to the Lord Jesus for salvation. You can, too.

          • Bob Judd

            It’s impossible to ‘come to the Lord Jesus for Salvation’ because unfortunately for you, Jesus was a human and he’s DEAD (and I’m not so sure he ever existed in the first place since there’s not a shred of evidence). Further, dead people aren’t about to wake up for anyone, so you may as well say you’re getting your salvation from the corpse of Nixon or a Flying Spaghetti monster because there is just as much proof THEY are your ‘salvation’ as the mythical Jesus character from the BIble.
            And it’s about time you realize that the billions of folks like me who don’t believe in Biblical horse crap are so much better for it because learning to face and accept REALITY is the first step to being a harmoniously Spiritual person.

    • Bob Judd

      Wrong classics, it’s a JOB and an employer can have all kinds of rules for their position. Remember, you’re not MOVING IN with the city council, you’re WORKING for them. Surely you can curb your dogma for up to 8 hours ago while you’re working (like every other reasonable employee in the US) and start your hate-spewing when you get off work. At my job I’m not allowed to ask girls to go to bed with me, do you think I’m gonna sue sue them because of it? Did my illustration help you see how PREPOSTEROUS your argument was? Glad I could help!

      • classicsforever

        No employer is above The Constitution of the United States and the freedom of speech it gives us. There’s a big difference between breaking the rules at work and expressing your opinion about something. I express my opinion about many things on the job. I don’t intend to stop. By the way, “hate-spewing” is a term invented by people who can’t deal with facts, logic and truth.

        • Bob Judd

          When you can understand why you wouldn’t like Satanists in office telling your children to worship Satan or Islamic folks calling you an ‘infidel’, you’ll understand why people don’t care to listen to Christian dogma. And when you can understand why you don’t accept the Flying Spaghetti Monster as your personal savior, you’ll understand why I don’t accept yours.
          Believers often forget that the Bible and God, like the Koran and Allah are all 100% MAN-MADE inventions. It was MAN who created God, not the other way around.

          • classicsforever

            Then you must be prepared to say that the Lord Jesus Christ is a liar. That’s all that matters, pal. You’re ranting and raving doesn’t bother me a bit. If you are determined to reject the salvation that the Lord offers, so be it. It’s your choice. I just want you to know where you stand.

            “For God so loved the world (ruined by sin), that he gave (as a sacrifice) his only begotten Son (Jesus Christ), that whosoever (even you) believeth in him (receives Jesus as Saviour) should not perish (in Hell), but have everlasting life (in Heaven).” – John 3:16

          • Bob Judd

            There’s no way I could call the ‘lord’ a liar because the ‘lord’ never existed. Because EVERYONE anyone has ever called “Lords” were created by over-active HUMAN imaginations, so that they have an easy explanation for a very complex Universe. The horse crap in the Bible was designed specifically to keep you from thinking for yourself. I ONLY accept the TRUTH, not 2000 year old rantings by delusional and hallucinating old men and their tortured existences.

          • classicsforever

            There is plenty of historical evidence concerning the life of Jesus. Any informed historian knows that. The question isn’t whether or not Jesus existed. The question is this: What are YOU going to do with him? You will either receive or reject the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.

            There was a guy who was a much bigger skeptic than you are. In fact, he hated with a passion those who followed Jesus and led in their persecution. That is, until he met this Jesus for himself. His name was the apostle Paul. From then on he himself suffered severe persecution for the Lord Jesus Christ. You can read all about it in the book of Acts. That is, if you are sincere in your search for the truth.

            “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” – John 14:6

          • Bob Judd

            Never heard as much NONSENSE from anyone. It is highly probable that a man named Jesus was crucified by the Romans, the QUESTION is if this particular Jew was the ‘son of God’, which is simply NOT TRUE since there is not a SHRED of evidence to suggest such nonsense and there’s even less evidence that there is a God (from ANY religion). These are myths that religious people hold on to because they are scared of the cold hard TRUTH, which is that the Universe is FAR more complex than anything that Biblical authors even began to explain. So as an argument to my comments, you don’t offer a shred of truth, you merely instruct others to blind faith, showing that you yourself have no facts on the matter.
            Believing in something based on mere faith is the lowest form of stupidity and is the reason why society rejects religion as factual. So, you can tell me to ‘meet jesus’ until you’re blue in the face, but until Jesus walks in to my room, you’re nothing but a LIAR, who is committing a capital sin. Don’t you worry about eternal HELLFIRE?!

          • classicsforever

            You’re all over the place with your comments, Bob. Are you sure you really know what you believe? I’ve given you plain, simple Bible. I’ve told you about the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. I’ve challenged you to read the gospel of John and the book of Acts for yourself. You have refused, trying rather to win a silly argument. I’m not interested in an argument.

            You don’t have to believe what I say. For that matter, you don’t have to believe what the Bible says. You can even believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is a fake and a fraud. That’s up to you…and YOU ALONE.

          • Bob Judd

            While I realize it may be confusing for you to speak with a free-thinker and I can tell that you clearly haven’t been exposed much to people who can think outside of the superstitious Christian understanding of things, it may be necessary for you to keep in mind that I am not bound by the chains and blindfolds of your ideology, there is a lot that science has proven about the world around us and still a lot to learn.
            And while you like to think you are refusing to engage in a ‘silly argument’, the fact of the matter is that you’re INCAPABLE of arguing against me because your logic and reasoning has already fallen flat on it’s face and I think that’s the reason why you won’t answer my posts with a logical argument.
            But you are correct, I think the Bible and Jesus are the biggest fraud’s ever snuck in the history books and to think that there are people in today’s society, standing with the world’s knowledge at their fingertips who still give in to superstition and unprovable theories is beyond any sane human intelligence.
            Hope that helps you understand my position. Let’s see if you have the ability to respond with something other than ‘read the bible’, or not respond at all, since I’m pretty good at silencing those who are incapable of seeing. I like to call them ‘not-sees’, just not the german ones.

          • classicsforever

            Whatever you might be, Bob, you’re no “free-thinker”. Your brain is bound and gagged. All you’ve said in your replies is nothing more than the same old worn-out arguments that skeptics of the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ have been using for generations. Nothing new at all.

            However, you have proven that God’s Word is true when it says:

            ” For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” – 1 Corinthians 1:18

            “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” – 1 Corinthians 2:14

            Best wishes to you.

          • Wanda Daniel

            Blessed is he who believes without seeing.
            I KNOW my God. I KNOW what He has done for me. I don’t have to see it with my eyes. EVERYTHING I see with my eyes is temporary. It’s the things that I cannot see with my eyes that are eternal.
            I can only pray that you can know such beauty and such love as I have known in Christ. I can’t tell you in words how sweet is the love of God. You’re missing out, Bob. I’m so sorry. My life is so much fuller, so much more complete, since I truly gave myself away to follow Christ. I’m not talking about “going to church”, or CALLING myself a Christian. I am talking about dying daily and being willing to suffer for what I BELIEVE.
            Methinks you have never known a true follower of Christ. Have you been hurt by a “religious” person who “said” they were a Christian? The devil is a liar. Don’t believe him. He wants to destroy you. I dare you to ask God to show you that He is real. Not scared, are ya’?
            All you have to do is look around you. Do you have eyes to see? His creation is speaking if you have ears to hear. The heavens are declaring the glory of God and the skies are telling the work of His hands. There is no speech, nor are there words. Their voice is not heard.
            But if you seek you will find. That’s a promise. My God keeps all His promises. He’s AWESOME! For real.

          • Bob Judd

            You can claim that nonsense until you’re blue in the face, but it doesn’t prove God. It might be important for you to know that in over 2000 years, NOT A SINGLE believer has been able to prove God. And if God were real and true, it would be very simple to prove him/her.

          • Wanda Daniel

            Oh, and, by the way, I am NOT “afraid of HELLFIRE”. 🙂
            That’s a condemnation that I have been delivered from. I am declared “not guilty”. That’s why God was willing to give up His Son. That’s why Jesus was willing to die. All for me.
            THAT’S how much He loves me. You can’t really understand such great love unless you have believed. Believers are given the Holy Spirit. He is only for the chosen few. So of course you can’t understand. At least…not yet. There is always hope as long as we have breath. All you have to do is believe. God gives the gift of faith. If you want it, all you have to do is ask.

          • Bob Judd

            Further, there is nothing more INSANE than this idea that a God who supposedly ‘loves humanity’ would put his own son through so much torture and death to endure as some preposterous ‘lesson’ to try and keep people from sinning. The only people who believe this insane and illogical nonsense are those who’s brains are incapable of knowing and understanding logic and reality. Jesus died for his OWN sins, no one else’s. You could say the same thing about anyone who has suffered as much as jesus supposedly did (which is not historically proven btw).
            “You’d PAY to know what you REALLY think!” – J.R. ‘Bob’ Dobbs, 1961

          • Wanda Daniel

            Everyone has a lord. We are all slaves to something. If we are not a slave of righteousness then we are slaves to sin. You HAVE to say what you are saying. It is your belief. But your belief will not keep you from applying for a city job. We HAVE to speak the truth. There is the world’s knowledge (“truth”) and there is true knowledge (God’s truth). But Christians SHOULD speak it, true knowledge, in love.

            True Christians don’t hate you for what you say. We will pray for you. We should show you love and not hate or condemnation. We fall short of God’s glory the same as you do. But we have grace; undeserved favor. That means our sins are not held against us. We, Christians, will never be condemned for our shortcomings. At least, God will never condemn us. Man certainly will (i.e.- the City Council). Religion condemns but God doesn’t. Religion is powerless. The devil is the Accuser of the saints. Disciples of Christ pray for those who persecute them. We know who wins the war. Our battle is not against flesh and blood (you or the City Council). It’s a spiritual war we are in. I’m on the winning team. Woohoo! You could be too. 🙂

            Oops! I guess this means that I am now considered ineligible to apply for a city job in San Antonio. Oh, well.
            I am assigned a position in the Kingdom to come with Jesus. Nothing here compares with that.

          • Whitemtlady

            No brain dead imbecile, YOU need to read Genesis 1:27!!!!

            The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land
            …26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”…

          • Bob Judd

            I’ve already read every chapter in the Bible and saw very clearly that it was the most genocidal book on the planet. Excusing some of the most depraved human behavior and glorifying war and slavery. If you REALLY want to know God, you should consider taking true Spiritual sacraments that have been around a lot longer than the BIble. Shaman still use these today, though they aren’t as publicized as the Bible, which has saturated every fiber of our society and it’s about time for that to change because it’s about time we get rid of ‘God’ and start accepting REALITY as it is.

          • Bob Judd

            You are truly misguided. Just because it’s in the Bible, you actually think it’s true??! Do you think that lying didn’t exist before Jesus or something? Or is it just because someone told you that the authors of the BIble wouldn’t lie or are ‘ordained by God’? What if I were to tell you that the scientists of today were ‘ordained by god’? Would you believe that? The FACT would be that I have just as much evidence to suggest that scientists of today are ordained by God as you think that authors of the BIble are ordained. The big difference though, is that at least my authors can be questioned and asked what they meant by certain passages, while your’s can’t. So all that leaves to prove your nonsense is FAITH that it is true. And I always liked what Mark Twain said about faith: “Faith is believing in something that you KNOW ain’t TRUE!” — Mark Twain.

          • Whitemtlady

            Just do all of humanity a favor and GO BURN IN HELL, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU BELONG.

          • Wanda Daniel

            Oh, please apologize. That is not what Jesus would say to Bob. Remember who accuses. It’s not Jesus. He justifies. The Accuser is Satan. Why would Bob want what you have? There is a better way…Jesus’ Way!

          • Wanda Daniel

            Whitemtlady, if you truly belong to Jesus, as your sister, I ask you to apologize to Bob. That wasn’t word from Jesus. True believers are willing to submit to one another, admonish one another and encourage one another. Please show him God’s love, and not hate. Hate is not from God.

          • Wanda Daniel

            Bob, you should apply for city office. You should have no problem. You are just what they are looking for.

      • Dan

        “No person shall be appointed to a position if the city council finds that such person has, PRIOR TO such proposed appointment, engaged in discrimination or demonstrated a bias…”

        Read more:

        • Bob Judd

          If you can’t express your opinion without discriminating against a particular group of people, race culture or sexual orientation, you don’t belong in politics, and I certainly wouldn’t consider hiring you even if you were the janitor in my business. What you’re basically saying is that you’re incapable of sharing your opinion without insulting others.
          I’ve always wondered why instead of being ‘born-again’, you folks just can’t simply GROW UP?

      • Wanda Daniel

        The ordinance has nothing to do with what was said while an employee is at work. Did you even read it?!?

  • pacetax

    John Hagee and all his constituents.STEP UP AND SHOW WHO REALLY IS IN CHARGE!!!

    • Bob Judd

      John Hagee? Thank GOD he will never be in charge of anything other than his brain-dead flocks. He’s about as powerful as Honey Boo Boo. Last thing we need in politics is another impotent whiner who has nothing to say that will make our nation stronger and content.

  • DawnDale

    Then they better fire themselves, because not a single one of them could say with honesty that they never said or even thought in the way this nonsense is worded. In fact, this contradicts our Constitution. Just how stupid are the people in San Antonio? Is this the lefts way of destroying Texas? I believe it is one of them, and look who is doing it. The same people who are always complaining about “equality”! They have no idea what the word really means but it sure doesn’t fit this ignorant announcement.

    • Bob Judd

      There’s nothing written in this bill that even remotely contradicts the Constitution. The text doesn’t limit free speech, it merely states that if you’re going to be a worker for the state, you mustn’t say things that are offensive to a particular religion or group of people. Are you suggesting that you’re unable and lack the ability to keep your mouth in check for an 8 hour shift? It’s not telling you that you have to quit your hate-mongering when you get home, because I realize how hate-spewing is very precious to the average Christian.

      • DawnDale

        Your response is a bit slow and the only hate spewing here is from you. Only foolish people believe that being political correct is good for the only nation on earth, America, when doing so eliminates the basic truths of our Constitution. The goal of this bill is obvious to any who think and compare with what the founders wrote. I don’t know what average Christians you converse with, but no one is perfect and that has nothing to do with the bill. It wouldn’t hurt to look into your own heart before you judge.

        • Bob Judd

          Can you give an example of how this bill ‘eliminates the basic truths of the Constitution’? It’s no limiting your speech, it’s asking you not to say things that would create hostility at the work place. If you don’t like it, don’t FREAKIN’ apply!

  • GilbertDavis

    this time , if this is passed , someone quickly violate this unconstitutional ordinance and make some big money when they sue the city.

  • matjam

    “…demonstrated a bias…” is very vague and would apply to everyone, including athiests who are biased against any religion.

  • Wallie

    Pass the same exact law against the muslims, then we’ll talk.

    • Bob Judd

      Already is passed. Most legitimate businesses have customary rules that ban a person from proselytizing against others and/or having religious discussions that almost always create hostility in the work place, so yes, they would be banned just as much as any Christian. Did you even READ it? It doesn’t mention any specific religion, yet it’s so interesting the way most Christians just read something and automatically believe without even knowing what it’s about. Shows how blind faith is so dangerous.

  • 1hetruthprojec1

    So, if a Jewish person want to share his faith, would this ordinance become anti-Semitic?

    • Sam

      It best be anti-muslim as well! Everything best be equal….

  • Barie Poore’

    Wow, makes me feel ashamed to be a native san antonian. I wanted to move back to my home town but now after reading this story I guess I won’t I never thought this day would come but san antonio is now San Francisco. Wow

    • Cindy

      This is when you send emails/letters to these representatives being a voice for God, telling them how this makes you feel. Someone has to stand up and speak and it’s time we all start!

  • Geri Novelli Cole

    Its only just begun. .. Gods word says we will be persecuted!

    • Bob Judd

      EVERYONE is persecuted. Quit pretending to be a martyr, it sounds so childish and whiney.

  • MediaMike

    Simple solution: don’t contract with government. Why swim with those who would eat your soul?

  • MediaMike

    All who agree with La Raza should then be fired as well. But wait, if they’re illegal already, do they have to obey US laws?

  • Barbara

    Hmmm. I wonder if ANY of those already on the council have ever NOT done that at some point in their life? Who, of any of us, have not? Read it closely and search your heart? We’ve all said something stupid at some point in our lives that we wish we could recapture those words. Talk about legislating thought. This is ridiculous! By the way, those of you getting upset over Christians being discriminated against, it says “religion” in the list. Pretty much applies to hate speech directed to any of these groups. But, I think if they want to be inclusive and make sure not to discriminate against anyone, the list needs to be a lot longer than this – what about weight, hair color, height, children, socio-econimic status, clothing, etc., etc., etc. It’s a good thing those who came before us (under the direction of God, I’m pretty sure) had the sense to give us the 1st Amendment to protect us all against mindless legislation such as this. If the people of San Antonio have more sense that those on their City Council this cannot go anywhere – unconstitutional. It also reminds me of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery. If those on the City Council search their hearts, will there be any who can cast the first stone?

  • Sherri McCutcheon Penko

    So this opens San Antonio up to pedophiles and persons who practice bestiality who now can’t be discriminated against for their sexual orientation. How about now getting rid of male and female restrooms, that is biased against gender identity. Just don’t know on what these people base their morals!

    • Candice Hillebrand

      What morals?

  • Marvin Standridge

    That will go to court because it is in direct conflict with the constitution in regards to freedom of speech.

  • picomanning

    I’ve been self supporting since I was 17 when I joined the army. I’ve had many jobs and met many people. I did my best to educate myself and have been a life long reader. I can say with certainty that as this nation moves away from God we will create more problems for ourselves until our problems become overwhelming. Google for the Best Christian literature and begin to learn. Read your Bible from beginning to end, the way it was supposed to be read. Above all, be a critical thinker! Ask yourselves why virtually each of America’s founding fathers understood that America HAD TO BE a nation UNDER GOD.

    • Bob Judd

      So according to your theory, I guess Google is also holy endowed by god for finding ‘best christian literature’ for you fools?
      America was founded upon the freedom OF religion, which also includes freedom FROM religion. The moment our nation favors one religion over another is when we become a theocracy, which is against everything the founding father’s believed in. So, if you’re planning such a thing, I can suggest you move to Iraq or Afghanistan to do it since you seem to think more like a Muslim than an American. I’m sure they could use you over there. I’ll stay here in the US where we have freedom of religion.

  • Jason Stevens

    It’s a silly ordinance…that is really more dangerous than silly…but it would apply to people of all religions…including Gay people….If you take this literally, any Gay person who ever marched in a gay pride parade, would not be able to be a city worker.

  • Jim_Ank37

    Little obama (the mayor) is acting like his daddy in DC. God is still in charge!

  • VeteranJack48

    Well, I hope they have lots of money or a good insurance policy or whatever because ADF, or another great organization will take their keesters to court and bury them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sam

    Does that go for serving on a jury? Will have to use that one to get out of jury duty!

  • USshrugged

    Let them do it. The act of doing it puts them all in violation of their own law, then get them all throw out of office. You can then change the law. Easier than recall!

    • flyovercindy

      I say let them do it – even if they stay in office. Businesses and people will vote with their dollars, and we’ll see what San Antonio does when the money starts to leave.

  • Craig Kristie

    That’s not what the proposed law states. You misread it along with the author of the article. It’s policy at any job not the express bias based on race, religion, natural origin, disability, veteran status…etc. It’s called discrimination. San Antonio is years behind everybody else.

  • What the Bible says about anything, is what it says. The Bible was written before anyone alive right now, was born. So, no one has any right to say someone can’t quote the Bible. Now does any Muslim work for that city? They will quote their book about homosexuality and will they lose their work? We will watch closely on every move and every word that San Antonio City Council is about to do, and if they get out of line, they are the one’s that will lose their jobs. They say…“No person shall be appointed to a position if the city council finds that such person has, prior to such proposed appointment, engaged in discrimination or demonstrated a bias, by word or deed, against any person, group or organization on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, veteran status, age, or disability.” Well I see religion in that quote, don’t you? So if they come up against the Christian, they will no longer have their job. Also here is what Jesus says…

    The World’s Hatred

    18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. 25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’

    The Coming Rejection

    26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
    John 15
    So don’t worry so much about these little people trying to come up against God and His Word…They will soon and very soon find out who He really is…and I don’t think that they will be happy.

  • Ron Valiquette

    Doesn’t this mean they should arrest homosexuals or any transgendered and atheists for being biased and bigoted against Christians?!

    • Bob Judd

      Of course! But not just arrest, a True Christiain would kill those who disagree because part of being a good christian is following the BIble and murdering your enemies with all your might as described in Dueteronomy 7.

  • daanerud

    WEll, Well,
    Jesus would be arrested in San Antonio, Texas.

    Proclaiming to be wise progressives it is understandable to act like stupid fools.
    Stupidity is the absence of wisdom.

  • Bob Judd

    Funny. I always thought church was the place for christians to speak out on the bible and why there would ever be a need during a time when you’re hired to work, to express your false opinions to unsuspecting others. So, I might ask the christians if they would like to be objected to hearing Satanists speak out on Satan, quote the Satanic Bible, or see and hear Muslim’s saying that your God is false. Would you want to be subjected to that? One would think that Christians would have the ability to empathize.

  • lisalo


    • Cindy

      lisalo, lisalo… calling will help no one. Do you know Jesus? He loves you so much that He gave His very Life that by your Choice, you could have Life Everlasting. Think of that…no death , ever…. But you know what? He loves the homosexual just as much! And He desires that they would Choose to accept the life He wants to give them too! He is such a Gentleman that He would never force anyone to do something they didn’t choose to do. Choose life my friend!

      • Impeach them.all

        But The bible codems. homesexuality. don’t forget that , practicing homosexuals do not go to heaven

  • captureman

    This is proof of the left wing hypocrisy.
    Yet, I don’t see where this ordinance says anybody is going to be arrested, just discriminated against!

  • Dennis Edwardz

    You know what San Antonio needs to do? All Christians should demonstrate at the same time, carrying sign about their faith. What could the city do? Arrest everyone
    (hundreds or thousands), or fire everyone? Maybe they could, but if they did they would open the city up to lawsuits on religious discrimination. I think this would work.

  • Larry Moore

    The Bible says “What you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven; and what you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.”….So I hereby, by the authority given to me by my Lord Jesus, bind the San Antonio City Council in such a way that their new anti-Christian Ordinance shall apply only to themselves and those other persons that approved this blatant effort to silence Christianity.
    On another note, do you all know that that City Council is nothing more that a coven of Witches? A witch is nothing more that one person or group of persons controlling or trying to control another person or group of persons.
    So maybe this is a solution: John Hagee and his entire Cornerstone Congregation could just go over to that City Council, cast out those Demons, convert them all to Christianity, and the City Council could get back to doing something constructive.
    Maybe they could be the first Government organization in the country to enact an Ordinance that insisted on zero tolerance of any attempt to discriminate against the first Amendment. ( or ANY! part of the Constitution and The Bill of Rights ) Sure would put a damper on Obama….wouldn’t it?

    • Cindy

      Well said Larry

  • Cindy

    Why is it necessary to point out Anything about what the bible says about homosexuality or any other sin? I know it is against God, you know it too…..but our message to everyone and anyone is: There is a God who loves you more than anyone else could Ever love you. He wants more than anything else in this world to give you peace in your heart, and to have a day by day relationship with you that will show you how much He cares for you. If you would like to know Him, I could share Him with you. If not I give you His Blessings. Then let the Holy Spirit do what only He can do. He knows how to do His Job well.
    PS. Getting ugly, sarcastic, and name calling never won anyone to the Savior of the World.

    • Timothy Sullivan

      Jesus hated the sin but He loved the sinner! You can only love people into the Kingdom.

    • classicsforever

      Nobody gets convicted of their sinful nature until they understand that they are a sinner. Preachers used to preach the wrath of a holy God against sin and America was full of revivals. Multitudes would come to the Lord for salvation. Our pulpits are now strangely silent about sin and God’s hatred of it. The church has compromised with the world and has become weak and powerless. We need preachers who will preach the Word of God in ALL of its fullness and with great boldness!

      God is love. True. He is also a God of wrath. Scripture is full of name-calling by the Lord when dealing with sin and sinners. Very strong stuff. We must be wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. However, that doesn’t mean that we avoid saying what God says.

      • Cindy

        I understand what you are saying. But the person always had to go to where the preacher was before they heard the sermon. So they were either seeking or there by the Holy Spirit’s divine providence. However when we encounter someone in sin, I believe we need to start with God’s Love 1st rather than beat them up with their sin. God nor Jesus ever started with name calling or finger in the face your going to hell if you don’t accept my plan of salvation. He always started with the offering of a relationship with Him and Love. And He gave/gives them chance after chance to accept, turn from their sin, and be free for Eternity. It is when they choose to continually say no to Him, that they reap His Wrath.
        I don’t personally know anyone who came to the Savior by being called a faggot, as their introduction to, “Did you know there is a God who loves you very………”
        Also, my church is not silent on sin……maybe you need to find another church?

        • classicsforever

          I agree with you. I’m just saying that the modern church, for the most part, has become nothing more than a social club where entertainment is a priority. So many pastors want to be popular that they’ll do almost anything to please the local community. That includes a nice little sermon that doesn’t offend anybody. It’s no wonder that our society is in such an ungodly condition.

          Notice that you seldom hear of a revival anymore? Communities used to have them all the time and they lasted for days and sometimes weeks. Not now. Why? Because they don’t fit in the programs of most pastors. This is what happens when social status takes the place of God’s will. Again, I’m not saying all churches are like this. However, I believe the majority of them are.

  • lisalo

    dumb faggots

  • Barie Poore’

    You are absolutley right!!! I will do just that.

  • Barie Poore’

    Thanks. And all glory to the kingdom of god….

  • sfcpete

    Goodbye San Antonio – my wife and myself love to vacation in Texas spending many days in San Antonio – since they want to persecute Christians they evidently don’t want me to spend my Christian money in their community. The people of San Antonio are great, its too bad they have not learned to think for themselves and elect idiots.

  • Ryan Hubrich

    The following is the posting policy for this thread,”We have a zero-tolerance policy for comments containing violence (threats, suggestions or direct statements permitting violent or threatening acts or sentiments), racism (suggestion that one “race” is superior to others), crassness or profanity (any word or phrase considered by courteous society to be profane), all caps (a violation of internet etiquette), discourteous behavior (calling names, rude or insulting statements directed at another user/post) or violations similar in nature to any of these offenses.” The whole premise of this article only holds true if you want to discriminate against other people and want to hold public office in San Antonio. Let us be clear, discrimination goes against the Bible (and this thread’s policy), and is a two-way street. This proposition protects Christians from being discriminated against by people who wish to hold public office in San Antonio as well.

  • Ann Iseman Walden

    Arrested? Not the same as losing a city job. I don’t like the ordinance, but you are clearly exaggerating.

  • Sapere Vedere

    Oxymoron alert!

    As they say “no discrimination or demonstrated a bias” they themselves are doing exactly that. So ultimately, they will all be fired once the bill passes. Also, nobody will every be hired again to work for that city because based on the criteria, no one, not even Helen Keller, would qualify. So I guess all forms of government will shut down in their city.

    Below are the actual “Marxist goals” that were spoken on the floor of Congress by Representative A.S.Herlong of Florida in 1962 warning America of what was going to happen in our country. Many said, “Oh no, that will never happen here. You’re crazy……” See the list below, which at one point had ZERO accomplished, and compare it to what you see around you this very moment.

    Marxist Goals read on the floor of Congress in 1962 as a warning

    We are being called to stand up. This is the moment for our generation

    If I wanted America to fail……..(a very powerful must see video)

  • Gary J Hill

    The ordinance, if worded correctly above, actually says “prior” to the appointment. So, the way I read it, once you’re appointed they can’t do anything about it. The law actually becomes a good defense if you are terminated for your religious posturing after appointment.

  • Know Really

    “They are looking at passing some nondiscrimination ordinances that would make it a crime to exhibit or express any form of bias that could offend someone.”

    One word: GOOD.

    I’m offended by giving preference to homosexuals, so I plan to sue using this new ordinance since “preference” is a bias. Be careful, San Antonio, be very careful. The sword cuts two ways, fools.

  • rumennek

    Sounds like the board itself is doing this to Christians they are nothing short of hypocrites and they need to be put to their own standards and hired.

  • gloria trim

    Just read a few of comments and have to say some of you need to reread the proposal more says by word or deed and it doesnt say Christian your right…However it does say gender identity and that is specifically aimed at christians. Dont be fooled and dont be foolish. This is the path of no return if we all dont realize the ramifications and stay on guard against such attacks to our contitutional and God given rights.

  • Annette Poly

    First the section about bias discrimination has been withdrawn.

    It never said you couldnt have opinion or personal beliefs. It said not to discriminate. Just because someone doesn’t like a person for whatever reason doesnt give them the right to hurt the business, fire or exclude them.

    No where did it say it mention Christian or getting arrested. That was only used as scare tastics to rile everyone up and look like it worked.

    Nobody is looking for special rights, just equal rights.

  • Sabrina

    Every call counts. Please everyone who is againts this contact your district office and let them know your against it. They are taking Into concideration the number of those against. On the 2nd it will be up for discussion. So please stand up for what you believe in let your voice be heard all it takes is a phone call. This could be just one giant step toward us christians or any beleivers being banned and being prosecuted for what we beleive. BUT Greater is He that is me.!! I pray that God will save this city. This is only one city if this is passed then cities all over the nation would follow.

  • Walt McLauren

    Wow, this stirred up a lot of discussion, and feelings of what we’re not supposed to let the sun go down on. I guess if those folks in San Antonio don’t believe in being discriminatory, it would be a good place to run a used car lot. And I could sue them if they didn’t buy anything, saying they refused to patronize my business because I fit one of those categories you can’t say bad stuff about. No matter that my cars are all piles of junk. By the way, don’t let hypocritical Christians like me keep you away from Christ. He is the way, the Truth and the life. I’m not religious. I just love Him because He fist loved me and showed me mercy when I deserved death.

  • drrabbit

    St. Anthony of Padua, please pray for this city named in your honor–and for the rest of us!

  • JohnBreland

    It’s a dispicable ordinance, but we lose credibility when we overstate our case. The article leads out with a jarring statement about people being “arrested” for sharing their faith. But then we see that the ordinance does not establish a crime; it defines qualifications for holding public office.
    Any city counsel member who votes for a monstrosity like this should lose his job and be run out of town on a rail. But, then, so should people who write factually inaccurate articles like this one for the sake of creating a sensation. When we do this, we’re no better than the provocateurs stirring up racial divisions in the wake of the Zimmerman trial.

  • Marine68

    I suggest that those fools on the City Council look up the “Cristero War” of 1926-1929) it was very bloody.

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  • Greg Bentley

    One question…. If they are banned from doing business with the city does this include paying taxes in any form to the city since paying taxes is a form of business???

    It is becoming abundantly clear to me that in today’s wicked and humanistic society that it is politically incorrect to discriminate against or even to voice an opinion against anyone except Christians(especially those Christians that hold to the Biblical standard of righteousness and speak out against ungodliness). You may be ok, even as a Christian in society’s eyes if you just keep your mouth shut or better yet watter down the gospel and say that everything is ok and there are many paths to God, even though we know that the Bible says that there is only one and that is through Jesus.

  • Mommamia1

    San Antonio = Saint Anthony! HELLO? The city was named for a Christian saint!
    Get over yourselves atheists. Demanding tolerance is intolerant.

  • Richard Diaz, Sr.

    When will all this stupid insanity end, when? What happened to the Christian nation we’re always talking about that we are? Why is San Antonio allowing this brain-dead stupid legislation to take place? What happened to moral and spiritual values that once was so near and dear to the nation’s heart? It seems that the evil forces of the nation are truly taking over and I say this, if America continues to go down this arrogant, rebellious and defiant path I guarantee you, God who is a righteous and a holy God WILL TAKE ACTION maybe not in our lifetime but, it will come and then we’ll truly understand what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. Heaven help this nation.

  • art1716@mail,com

    satan take your pro homosexual anti christian and anti american movement and laws and go, we cancel out your works, and we speak the lord’s righteous laws back into the nation and land, we are the ecclesia, the ruling class, we cancel out this work and we un-work it, and we restore this nation in the lord, we decree it as kings, and we call forth the angels of the lord and the lord to move on our behalf in this nation, in jesus name. mk 11.23.24.john.cor.ephes.rom. est4-8.

  • Wanda Daniel

    What I believe is not optional and cannot be legislated.

  • Awakened

    So we are living in a “controlled” state. This is no longer a nation with ”freedoms”. People you better wake up and stand up…. stop sitting and waiting for your neighbor or the man up the street to stand up first!

  • Chris Sorochin

    So the law doesn’t prevent “Christians” from preaching, only publically hating on homosexuals.

  • JesseLette

    First id like to point out that it says, “No Person”. Not NO CHRISTIAN. So if someone were to be discriminatory against a christian they also could not get a job in the city. Second id like to say i think this is a great idea and i think the united states as a whole should adopt this ordinance, maybe it would help stop some of the hate and discrimination against ANYONE in the U.S.

  • Jason Tucker

    Send me a ticket!!

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    • Jason Tucker

      Psalms 27:3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.

      • Jason Tucker

        Isaiah 8:10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.

        • Jason Tucker

          Jeremiah 8:9 The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

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